Comments on: Elizabeth I’s Coronation Chart

By: Claire

Claire — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:48:34 +0000

Hi Ceri,
David Starkey writes of how Elizabeth had at least three sets of clothes for her coronation and that two of them were “hand-me-downs” from Mary which she had altered. The first (from Mary) was the gold and silver coronation mantle and matching dress which she wore for the eve of coronation procession and which she also wore in the coronation portrait. She had a new bodice made for the dress as she was very different in shape to Mary. Elizabeth also “inherited” the crimson velvet parliamentary robes and cap of estate from Mary, which she wore on her journey from Westminster Hall to the Abbey. The purple velvet robes of estate (mourning robes) were especially made for Elizabeth.
Tracy Borman writes “As a further tribute to her mother, she adopted the same manner of dress, with a heavily brocaded silk surcoat and a mantle of ermine” but it is difficult to say whether this is referring to Elizabeth’s specially made outfit or the adjustments she made to Mary’s clothes. She definitely used Anne’s coronation as a model because she used the same imagery and symbolism, the white falcon crest, the idea of the Queen being the Virgin Mary on Earth and also the idea of wearing a lighter special crown for the procession.

By: Jenny

Jenny — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:23:32 +0000

Hi Rochie,

With the moon and venus in Aries, don’t you thinl that H8’s feelings would have been instant but could change as Aries get bored very quickly when there is no challenge and with his 7th houe in Pisces, he could have made his own idolisation of a partnership. Yes, you could be right that Anne was a Leo, OR at least had a lot of Leo in her chart – Leo likes to be no. 1 and everyone has to follow. By netting H8, that might have been a “coup” for her.

By: rochie

rochie — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:02:20 +0000

Good to see Henry’s chart. Thank you Claire and Jenny!
The placement of Henry’s natal Moon and Venus (both significators of women and romance, especially in a man’s chart) in the Fire sign of Aries is the most interesting for me, since I always had a sneaky feeling that Anne Boleyn would have been a Leo sun sign (trend-setting, proud, rather self-centred and prone to having favourites about her).
When comparing two natal charts we often find a connection through signs of the same element in partnerships and friendships. Aries and Leo are both Fire signs. Perhaps Anne’s Sun – if it was in Leo – would even have been in trine aspect (120 degree separation approx) to Henry’s Moon/Venus in Aries. That would make for a very powerful and volatile relationship – fiery, to be sure.

By: Jenny

Jenny — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:48:28 +0000

Tnaks Claire for the info. on h8’s chart – But it shows how rusty I have become!!!! However, the second version is a modern chart as it shows the placement of the planets such as Uranus, Neptune and Pluto which were not discovered during Tudor times. From what luttle I do remember about birthcharts (and we are talking about E1’s birth chart not her coronationchart), comparing that with her father. His ascendant (i.e. outward personality, physical body andgeneral consititution, early childhood experienes etc.) is in Virgo, the sun saign of his daughter with in Liz 1’s chart, the Virgo sun is in the House of inheritance! His Midheaven (i.e. 10th house) and generally representing the father (although some astrologers say mother su to lack of paternal influence ) is in Gemeini which would give the impression that he did not think things through. However, Liz 1’s is in Scorpio which would mean a very tidy and retentive mind plus keeper of scerets (which is perhaps why she never, o hardly mentioned her mother) Lis’s mother sign is the moon in Taurus, in the chart in the 3rd house but almost on the cusp of the 4th House, traditional house of the mother. As Rochie said (if I remember) Li’s 7th house of partnerships is in Cancer but with Saturn in it which would have meant difficult partnerships in any case. H8’s is in Pisces, the tradionational dreamer trying to find perfection. From what I have seen but haven’t had time to study is that father had a great impact on her life. But over to the expert – Rochie!!!

By: Ceri C

Ceri C — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:55:20 +0000

Did Elizabeth really model her coronation robes on Anne’s? I thought that, ever thrifty and short of money at the beginning of her reign, Elizabeth had her sister Mary’s coronation robes altered for the occasion.

By: Claire

Claire — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:51:37 +0000

Hi Jenny, I just found these charts and information on Henry - http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/sun/sun.htm#henryVIII - scroll down on that page and a clearer one at http://www.makara.us/04mdr/01writing/03tg/bios/Henry_VIII.htm.

By: Jenny

Jenny — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:45:50 +0000

Hi Rochie,

Do we know H8’s birth data — because that might help. We could look at his basic chart, the date of the wedding with AB and perhaps come up with something there. Remember E1 said “Although I have a body of a woman, I have the heart of a king, and a king of England too” – She kept her mother very cloe to her but she also adored (perhaps the power amongst other things) her father. It is worth a try!

By: Sheena

Sheena — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:17:56 +0000

Absolutely fascinating!

By: rochie

rochie — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:14:29 +0000

Yes, Jenny, I agree, it is the greatest sadness that we will probably never know Anne’s birth data. How intriguing would that be! If only.

For anyone reading Claire’s wonderful piece today and who is wondering how an astrological chart works, may I recommend this web-page which shows in four easy stages how it is usually put together. Otherwise, I know, it sometimes looks a terrible jumble.

http://www.astralogos.wanadoo.co.uk/chart.html

I am going to celebrate this all over again on the 25th, when the Sun returns to the same spot in the the sky (the Solar return).
There was an eclipse today, also.

By: Jenny

Jenny — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:48:06 +0000

After reading again Claire’s comments “it always sends shivers down my spine and always makes me wonder if the real Anne has any inkling of what her daughter could become” In the late 80s I attending an Astrological conference whose subject was “Relationships” and was held by the late and very great astrologer Howard Sasporta. The mother figure appears very much in my chart although we were completely different in some ways. Howard’s conclusion was that I was living out the life that my mother, in her days, would not have been able to do, even if she didn’t have 10 children – I have none – Strange – Pity we cannot get Anne’s birthday and compare the two.